This is my point by point rebuttal to an editorial by “Joe Satanist” Some say his real name is Jason Sorrell aka “Ego Diabolus”. Can you say gay? Jesus...
JS: “When you visit the Worldwide Church of Satanic Liberation website, you will probably find yourself thinking, ‘I hope he’s not serious.’”
PDV: They would be wrong.
JS: “As the readers of my articles on other Satanic Organizations know, I don’t seek out these people and ask them questions. I don’t do interviews. In an interview, almost anyone seems sane. Paul Valentine, founder of the WCSL has an interview posted on his web-site, and of course he sounds like the nicest, sanest guy in the world.”
PDV: I am indeed! Well, nice that is. The jury is still out on the sanity bit.
JS: “No, instead I look at what they are doing based mainly on what they are foisting upon the public.”
PDV: foist:
1. to force upon or impose fraudulently or unjustifiably (usually fol. by on or upon): to foist inferior merchandise on a customer.
2. to bring, put, or introduce surreptitiously or fraudulently (usually fol. by in or into): to foist political views into a news story.
I suggest you acquire a dictionary so in future diatribes you’ll have access to accurate verbs.
JS: “I mean, this should make perfect sense to any reasoning person; the public will judge you based on what you present to them.”
PDV: You foolishly assume I care. Nevertheless, the amount of merchandise and membership kits we’ve already mailed out proves “what (I) present to them” is highly prized.
JS: “They will not interpret the nuances and subtle machinations behind the façade, but take what is presented at face value.”
PDV: Which is the wisest tactic for anyone to take. Especially with me because I have no façade, no desire to be something or someone I am not.
JS: “I also talk to my peers, fellow Satanists for whom these web-sites and organizations are designed, and gauge their opinions.”
PDV: *I* have no peers in the occult, and my sites and the WCSL are definitely not for yours.
JS: “Some people have argued that I don’t know the facts. They are absolutely correct, I don’t know the facts. My opinion is based purely on how they present themselves to the world.”
PDV: Then presenting a judgmental critique such as this is sophomoric at best.
JS: “Reading the comments in my Yahoo! forum, one might come to conclude that my criticism of some of these people was going easy on them.”
PDV: Does anyone truly care?
JS: “With that said, here’s what I think about the WCSL…
According to the WCSL website, this organization has been around for over 20 years. Paul Douglas Valentine apparently once knew Anton LaVey of the Church of Satan, although I am not certain in what capacity.”
PDV: Were you stoned when reading my material? Nowhere do I say I ever knew LaVey.
JS: “The site features a LaVey debunking sheet basically exposing the mythology that Anton LaVey created about himself. The sheet mentions that Valentine owned a club that LaVey once worked at.”
PDV: What’s it like to be so clueless? It’s common knowledge that I was born in 1956, so um, in 1948... I WASN‘T BORN!!! It’s a different Paul Valentine, Bullwinkle. How hard is this?
JS: “The website; http://www.churchofsatanicliberation.net (for those of you who follow my work, normally I don’t provide the web-site URL of groups or persons I am being critical of. The WCSL is an exception that I will explain later.)”
PDV: And I must thank you for all the interest you helped generate.
JS: “...doesn’t really contain much else, and during the month or so that I have been observing, it seems to be a site undergoing recent developmeant.”
PDV: It’s obvious your powers of observation are lacking. And it isn’t undergoing recent development, it evolves as necessary.
JS: This might explain why most people have not even heard of the WCSL, their public presence may have been very local or only recently created.
PDV: Again you prove that you haven’t the faintest idea what you’re talking about. Check out my YouTube videos at:
http://www.youtube.com/PDValentine
JS: “Paul Valentine and the WCSL began in the 80’s as an anti-defamation group for Satanists. The “Satanic Panic” was in full swing; religious nuts were claiming that America was in the grip of rogue Satanic Cults performing child sacrifice and all manner of crimes. These claims, if true, indicated that thousands of children were being murdered during Satanic Rituals. The conspiracy theory went as far as to suggest that girls were taken to be “breeders” so that these cults could have a supply of unregistered babies for sacrifice. Typically, some guy with a bad haircut would claim to be a former member of one of these cults until he found Jesus, wrote a book, and went on a paid speaking tour to “warn the country about the Satanic Menace”.
This media blitz was great for the day-time talk show business, and eventually came to a head with a scandal involving a daycare supposedly run by Satanists who were allegedly abusing their wards. With an actual crime to investigate, the FBI stepped in and found nothing. No abuse at the day-care, no child-sacrifices, no breeders, no Satanic Cults performing malicious deeds in the mountains in the dead of night. It was all bullshit. They even found that the counselors investigating these abuse cases were actually leading their young witnesses and themselves programming the children to blame Satanism for whatever fantasies of abuse they were discussing. Paul Valentine and the WCSL were active in demanding proof for every allegation. They wanted to know where the bodies where when someone claimed to witness a sacrifice. They demanded to see the crematoriums when others claimed that the bodies were disposed of in that manner. They actively demanded proof. For Satanism, that is a great thing.”
PDV: Especially the way it fattened my bank account...
JS: “But, the Satanic Panic came to an end back in the early 90’s. Sure, some nuts are still trying to milk that dead cow, but most people see them as nuts. That means the WCSL hasn’t had much to do lately.”
PDV: Yet again Joe spews silliness. We’ve been on the web since 1991 and, trust me, always have things to do.
JS: “The next thing that becomes apparent from the WCSL website is that Paul Valentine really dislikes the Church of Satan, especially its current front-man, Peter Gilmore. Evidence of this; the LaVey debunking sheet, his disparaging comments about Peter Gilmore...”
PDV: And if you had bothered to read my material you’d see why.
JS: “...his addressing those pursuing membership in the CoS as “sycophants...”
PDV: They are. Within the CoS individuality is frowned upon — despite what their documentation states.
JS: “...and the creation of a “rat-boy” doll that is apparently in Gilmore’s likeness”.
PDV: Nowhere is that stated.
JS: “The WCSL’s new cause seems to be combating the shift in the Satanic Community toward elitism and potentially fascism that Valentine seems to lay at the doorstep of the current incarnation of the Church of Satan. For Satanism, this can also be seen as a good thing.”
PDV: Face it, bud, I’M a good thing. But yeah, bigotry has always played a role in the CoS, though now several new groups (such as Joy of Satan) have taken it to the extreme. These retards won’t confront me, of course, but they seek out and attempt to recruit those who speak favourably about me and/or the WCSL. I’m a small part Jewish so I’m really hoping to hear from them personally.
JS: “According to the interview on the site, Paul Douglas Valentine envisions the World Church of Satanic Liberations...”
PDV: Is it asking too much that you at least try to get the name right? Repeat after me, you wacky legionnaire — Worldwide Church of Satanic Liberation.
JS: “...as an organization for free-thinkers.”
PDV: Indeed it is!
JS: “He presents himself as a person who can be questioned, challenged, and criticized (so I guess he won’t mind this article).”
PDV: Yes I am and no I don’t. This rebuttal is just an effort to bring some mistakes and misconceptions to light.
JS: His organization has no structure; he’s just the front-man for a peer-group of Satanists interested in maintaining the ideals of Satanism.
PDV: There’s that dopey ‘P’ word again... And I suggest you reread my interview because I couldn’t care less about the “ideals of Satanism”.
JS: “The WCSL has no bias towards anyone due to ethnicity, origin, sexuality, gender, or any of the other equal-opportunity criteria. They stand opposed to the current elitist mentality being projected by groups like the Church of Satan, seeing fascism as the next hurdle for Satanists to overcome. Valentine considers himself an atheist, skeptic, and occultist; something he himself points out is a paradox.”
PDV: As am I. Which makes me all the more attractive and lovable!
JS: “Up to this point, none of this sounds too bad. I mean, I am a free-thinker. I don’t buy into the elitism and fascist symbolism that seems to permeate Satanism today. I can appreciate taking a stand against the claims leveled at Satanists back in the 80’s. I guess my issue isn’t with this group’s potential goals (the web-site doesn’t really clearly define these goals. You have to kind of infer them from the available material) but rather with its methods.“
PDV: “...this group’s potential goals...”? What goals? And when did I ever say the WCSL is interested in achieving any? Fuck... If you want pretentious bullshit like that join Satanic Reds. Granted, our individual members have goals, as do I, but as an organization? Nope. Well, okay, maybe this: To make sure the WCSL is never even remotely akin to anything boring and structured.
From it’s inception the Worldwide Church of Satanic Liberation has been the only occult organization more interested in offering our members a relaxed and fun environment. We are free from stunting restrictions, pabulum-laden dogma, and ridiculously tedious “required reading”.
JS: “Like I said, you will probably find yourself thinking, ‘I hope he’s not serious.’”
PDV: Oh I’m serious, all right.
JS: “There is a $99 annual fee to be a part of this club for Satanic Free-thinkers (what?). For this fee, you get a coffee mug, t-shirt, your choice of poster, a membership card, and a button.”
PDV: Apparently you missed the 8x10 photo of me. Suitable for framing, of course.
JS: Please, let’s keep the snickering to a minimum, as some organizations charge a fee and just give you a card. I have been told that if the WCSL uses Café Press for these items, then about half the initial fee is eaten up by the cost of the items. Still, it’s a $99 ANNUAL fee. If you are like me, and have an issue with an annual fee, you can pay $999 for a lifetime membership (huh?). You get all the above and one of the limited edition Paul Douglas Valentine action figures as well as the “Rat-Boy” figure. If these figures are limited to a run of less than 1000 then I suppose he is not expecting a lot of lifetime members.”
PDV: God you’re a tool. And yet again you fail to read and maintain even a basic level of comprehension. Did the term ‘first edition” throw you into an intellectual tailspin? And do the math. At $999 a pop, 999 lifetime members will be enough.
For now.
Until the second edition of the PDV talking action figure is released.
JS: “I hope he’s not serious. If this is a legitimate organization with actual goals and a loose agenda, then I hope this is all a test.”
PDV: You know nothing about marketing, I see. Or the minutia involved in a seller/buyer relationship. Of course it’s a test! Every time one person offers something to another — especially for a price — it’s a test. A test of desire. And whether you, Gilmore, Vera, Allee, or the rest like it or not, the desire is damn strong.
JS: “Maybe the dolts that send in their cash get their WCSL goods and a year later their second payment is returned with a rejection letter.”
PDV: Not gonna happen.
JS: “Maybe the people that contact Valentine and tell him that they are down with what he proposes but shelling out $99 a year to be a part of his club just seems stupid actually become members based on their own merit as Satanists.”
PDV: They’d better not hold their breath. And I suggest you reread your oh-so-precious Satanic Bible before you start the Satanic merit bit.
JS: “Should that prove to be the case, then Paul Douglas Valentine is a genius and the WCSL deserves my praise.”
PDV: My genius is a well-known fact. To me, at least...
But really, junior, whether or not I get praise from an intellectual nonentity such as yourself (who hides behind a pseudonym as he casts stones) is meaningless to me.
JS “What I have seen of Paul Valentine in my forum; a caustic, argumentative, sarcastic, crass individual (in my opinion), suggests that he really is a super-hero in his own mind...”
PDV: You think so, huh? Probably because I say things like this:
“Ah yes, good ol’ Miriam. That gargoyle-faced, anarchistic, anti-globalization, Z. Budapest ass-kissing bore. No doubt she supports ethanol as well. Jesus...
I’m not surprised she would find backing on Joe Satanist.
You know, I think of Starpidgeon and her ilk every time I fire up the truck as I prepare to drive a half block to the store. Or when I travel from here to either Chicago or Cleveland just to take a ride. And it makes me smile.
Hey, Miriam? ‘Reclaim’ this.”
Tough. Take off the blinders, boy, because what you think you see is wrong. As usual.
JS: “...and that he is absolutely serious about his methods.”
PDV: I most certainly am! It’s called embodying pure, unadulterated, knife-edged Satanism. If you disagree with that you are definitely in the wrong business.
JS: “If that too is part of the act, kudos to him. If not, then you know where I stand.”
PDV: In a haze.
